On the evening of May 25th 2022, Spud, Marco, Jason & I called up The Secret Chiefs using the Estes Method and had a chat. You can watch the recording HERE, but I spent a few hours today putting together a complete transcription. Some very interesting answers emerged in both sessions! Down at the bottom, I have also included just the answers we got as one piece of text to see if anything interesting emerges from looking at them separate from the questions.
SESSION 1
Marco: All right, so all of you magicians, this is the time where I’m going to start the–
Jason: Beckoning.
Marco: …pretty good.
Spud: nahhaa!
Tommie: So, tonight…
Jason: It’s real.
Tommie: Yea, it is! Tonight what we were trying to attempt, and what we’d like to do is call on the Third Order, the Secret Chiefs, the White Brotherhood.
Jason: A whole universe.
Tommie: The thing that’s–
Jason: Everyday.
Tommie: We would like to speak to a representative. Is it possible to speak to a representative? Could someone come through and please talk to us?
Jason: You wish! It’s all free now. Alright. I’m here to help…
Tommie: OK.
Jason: Tommie.
Tommie: Can you tell me what your name is, please?
Jason: Well, that’s something. Kind of empty, but just be good.
Tommie: OK. For the next couple of minutes I’m going to just leave it open to you rather–
Jason: Chaotic.
Tommie: –rather than trying to force questions on you. If there’s something that you would like to communicate to us, rather than us asking a series of questions that might not be relevant at all. Have you information for us?
Jason: You have to get the sequence right! It’s coming. Don’t be scared. No other way. Hey. Now we’re starting.
Tommie: OK. You said we got the sec– we have to get the sequence, right? Is that the sequence tonight?
Jason: The connection.
Tommie: OK. Did we do something wrong?
Jason: (It) has started.
Tommie: I assume not then. Should we start to ask,
Spud: Should we ask for a number? Tommie?
Tommie: Ask for them–
Jason: Deus Ex. Another. You’ll lose.
Tommie: OK. Um, I’m going to go ahead, starting to ask our questions.
Jason: Dive in! Humans are calling.
Tommie: And can you tell me something about the nature of the toward order? What is it?
Jason: Are you finished already? You’re doing it. (Uh, I heard a scream, something screamed at me).
Tommie: OK. Are you a representative of the Third Order?
Jason: Better.
Tommie: Can you prove that you’re representative of The Third Order?
Jason: It’s a long ways.
Tommie: What can you tell me about Indra Cold?
Jason: Let’s rock. Hello? OK.
Tommie: Why was Indrid Cold abandoned?
Jason: I don’t think so.
Tommie: He wasn’t abandoned?
Jason: Are you Ticking/ Picking (?) on me?
Spud: Is he still alive?
Jason: Here.
Spud: Did he fall from the White brotherhood to the Black Brotherhood?
Jason: Help.
Spud: Help?
Tommie: Is there anything more you can tell us about Indrid Cold?
Jason: If you think that I can. First of all, it’s going to be in my mind. That’s the promise. Go ahead.
Tommie: Have we been abandoned by the Third Order?
Jason: This is your one chance for membership. Put your hands back.
Spud: I already had like two seconds ago,
Jason: Much Better.
Spud: Thanks. OK. How do likes of us apply?
Jason: You know, you can call only…
Marco: Something touched my hand!
Jason: ...when it’s leaking.
Marco: Holy shit!
Tommie: Did you say you can call when it’s leaking?
Jason: Define that.
Tommie: Is there an energy leak in this ritual?
Spud: I’m getting some vibrations in my headphones.
Jason: Hail me.
Spud: Very strange.
Tommie: OK.
Jason: The journey.
Tommie: I’m going to ask you for your name again. Can you please tell me your name?
Jason: A viking!
Marco: Someone put “Viking” into the cypher and see what number it is.
Tommie: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Someone do that.
Spud: Viking is 90.
Jason: What a show!
Tommie: Hellier? Are you talking about Hellier?
Jason: You can try, go for it.
Tommie: What can you tell me about Terry R. Wrist?
Jason: Help me, you can do it. That’s good.
Tommie: What is Terry R Wrist’s Aim?
Jason: Later. Move over. Is it working? Is your magic working? Me too.
Spud: Someone put something cool in the chat! Eh “help me” is equal to 103 , which is also equal to “and die cold” maybe we shouldn’t help them.
Tommie: Wow. You have “Indrid Cold / Die Cold”.
Jason: Fortunate! A cookout!
Spud: You asked for help earlier…
Jason: Suffocation!
Spud: How would people help?
Tommie: Yeah, how can we help?
Marco: I can tell you over here. It’s getting really cold – like really cold!
Jason: Hello?
Marco: Hello!
Tommie: Um, don’t die cold, Marco.
Spud: This has a very different feel than anything we’ve done before.
Jason: Out with it!
Spud: I’d say that -it’s very–
Jason: Dreamweavers!
Spud: Spookier! Usually, Jason’s quite chatty. This is the quietest.
Tommie: OK, I think for the last couple of minutes of the session, I’m going to just leave it over to you. And if you want to share something, or–
Jason: This!
Tommie: Share some information. Please do.
Jason: Oh, just do it already!
Tommie: Do what?
Jason: OK?
Spud: End it!
Marco: OK…
Tommie: Well, we can’t because Jason won’t know…
Jason: Be patient, but I’m not.
Tommie: Yes. You said you certainly don’t sound patient. Are we annoying you?
Jason: Instructors! Well, you’re the best boy!
Marco: Are we now?
Tommie: Yeah, I get the feeling that we’re being slagged off here.
Jason: Almost almost done. Time’s running out!
Tommie: Anything you want to say before you leave?
Jason: Your wife would know! I wish it could.
Spud: Yeah, it felt to me like halfway through, someone else came in.
Jason: 4 3
Tommie: Hold on, 4 3.
Jason: That’s a single one.
Tommie: 43
Jason: I leave you! Nine, three.
Spud: 93 – Nice.
Marco: 43 is also seven, seven. It’s a four and three. I think we should wrap this up.
Jason: You don’t know me from Adam.
Tommie: That’s interesting!
SESSION 2
Jason: Well, Hey, you guys. How’s it going?
Tommie: Can you, uh, thank you for talking to us. Can you tell me what your name is, please?
Jason: 100%.
Tommie: Okay. What is your name?
Jason: The door is open – just a bit!
Tommie: That’s good to know.
Jason: Oh, you’re a rascal.
Tommie: Yes. I do not want to proceed without knowing your name.
Spud: And it’s just so we can address you properly. That’s why we’d like to know your name.
Marco: You can give us a number.
Tommie: Yeah, sure. Yeah.
Marco: And give us a color. You can give us something.
Jason: Don’t trip on your foot.
Tommie: Yeah, it’s important though, because entities who are up to no good are usually the ones who won’t tell the name.
Jason: Alright… Think all, (I didn’t quite catch the word. I think it’s “think all”.)
Tommie: Okay.
Jason: It’s Nothing.
Marco: Oh nothing.
Jason: How about that?
Tommie: Your name is “Nothing”. Okay.
Marco: Well, nothing – “Nemo” is the name of the Master of the Temple of the Third Order.
Tommie: Okay. Interesting
Spud: Very interesting.
Tommie: Do you mind if we ask you some questions?
Jason: It is what it is.
Tommie: Hahah, yes. Um, can you tell me something about Indrid Cold?
Jason: Don’t fight it.
Tommie: They said that the last time.
Marco: It seems like–
Jason: You guys -,
Marco: it seems like it didn’t want to talk about that.
Tommie: No. No. Why do you not want to talk about a Indrid Cold?
Jason: What would Greg think of this?
Tommie: Yea, we’ll ask him.
Jason: Wow.
Tommie: Yeah.
Marco: Wow, for real.
Tommie: Oh, okay. I, we’ll come back to Indrid Cold then, what can you tell us about Terry R. Wrist??
Jason: A little bit…
Tommie: okay.
Marco: Okay. And we can work with that.
Jason: … of magic.
Marco: Alright! Is Terry Wrist a magician?
Jason: You got it!
Tommie: Okay,
Spud: nice.
Jason: Pick up the phone.
Spud: Are his intentions good, Mr. Terry R. Wrist?
Marco: The phone is a nine twenty one oh seven, which is 13, which is unity.
Jason: Yes, Estoy Bien! How about you?
Marco: Huh, how about us -what? We’re trying to talk to you.
Jason: Do you want a cookie?
Marco: Yes. I would love a cookie!
Tommie: Marco. We talked about having cookies in your house–
Jason: Well, you better go find one.
Marco: I have cookies in the other room.
Tommie: We said on the podcast today that we would not eat a cookie in your house.
Jason: Sounds like a speech impediment.
Tommie: What? the podcast?. Thanks very much. Eh, what’s the meaning of the strange wording–
Jason: Get on with it!
Tommie: Yeah, I’m I am. I’m trying my best here.. What’s the meaning of the strange wording in Terry R. Wrist’s to emails to Greg, where he goes, “hell”… new word… “er”, and used the number S . Is that a code? Or what does it mean?
Jason: 500 is cool. It’s kind of orange. Okay.
Marco: So it is a code!
Tommie: It is a code then, yeah.
Jason: 19.
Marco: Okay. 500 orange. 19. Can somebody write these numbers down, please?
Jason: It’s the number three.
Tommie: It’s the magic number? Yeah.
Marco: Okay..? Um, what’s the next question,Tommie?
Tommie: What kind of symptom was Hellier?
Marco: Terry Wrist says that Hellier was a symptom. What, which symptom is that?
Jason: I hear you,
Marco: Which symptom is that?
Jason: You’re a bit of a problem though.
Marco: Yeah, they tell me that a lot! Yes, I’m a bit of a problem. Can you give me the answer?
Jason: Fuck you!
Spud: Holy God!
Tommie: Wow.
Spud: Harsh!
Marco: Well, should I compel you to give me the answer?
Jason: I mean, usually that works.
Tommie: Okay.
Marco: Okay.
Jason: It’s tricky. It entails a lot. Roots (Routes?) on your birthday.
Marco: My birthday is in two weeks. What should I do? What kind of routes should I look for on my birthday?
Jason: Makeshift,
Marco: Makeshift…
Jason: The ones you can find.
Tommie: Okay.
Marco: All right. How I’m going to use them.
Jason: You’ll know.
Marco: Okay. Will this explain the Hellier symptom?
Jason: (Guys this is Jason. Uh, I’m just, I want you to know I’m getting a sense that there’s two separate things talking here. There’s two voices that are interrupting each other.)
Tommie: Okay.
Marco: Yup.
Jason: You don’t say!
Spud: Awesome.
Tommie: Okay. Can we get the name of the other person please? Would they like to volunte–?
Jason: Its no bullshit!
Tommie: Yeah, so we have “Nothing”…
Jason: This One / The Swan as well.
Tommie: The Swan.. Okay. The Swan.
Marco: The Swan? Adonai!
Jason: Does it make you feel good?
Spud: Did he say it?
Tommie: The heavy headers are in, so I suppose it does make me feel good. Yeah.
Spud: Did he say “The Swan” or “This one”?
Marco: Yeah, exactly.
Tommie: Oh, I thought he said “The Swan”
Spud: And then I was it “Abyss 1”?
Tommie: Did you say “This One” or “The Swan”?
Jason: Ready for 20
Tommie: look up 20.
Jason: That’s all that we have.
Tommie: Okay.
Jason: A big bang. It’s all the same.
Tommie: What can you tell us about the black lodge?
Jason: Heading to you now, join us.
Marco: Who is us?
Tommie: Yeah?
Jason: The divinity, all of them.
Marco: Is there any real difference between the bla–
Jason: You know, man, extremely well. An influencer?
Tommie: Ooh. Ask the question Marco, that’s a good question.
Marco: Do you,– is there any difference between the white and the black lodge?
Jason: Seven, it includes as much.
Marco: Tommie, to go on with the next questions.
Tommie: Okay. Now that cypher of the Book of the Law is known. Is there a new cypher? If yes, could we have it? Can we get it?
Jason: I have an offer about that.
Tommie: Okay.
Jason: Put your hands in the air and then move beyond. Beautiful.
Marco: Are you taking the piss?
Tommie: Got us to do it though, didn’t he?
Marco: I don’t feel anything here.
Spud: Move beyond, Marco.
Jason: What a strange machine.
Tommie: Thanks, yeah.
Spud: Funny.
Jason: I’m just playing!
Marco: Thank you! Are you having fun?
Jason: If you need to go to the bathroom?
Marco: No, we don’t.
Jason: Hurry back, it takes a long walk on the warpath.
Marco: Hmm. Are we on a warpath?
Jason: Lost in the woods.
Marco: Let’s go on to the next q–
Jason: Surely…
Tommie: Okay. I have a question.
Jason: …It’s coming back around
Tommie: What is a question about hellier–
Jason: Not too soon?
Tommie: Okay. Sorry. I think you saying something we’re just gonna let that run for a second
Jason: Carefully now!
Tommie: What is the question about Hellier that no one is asking, that people should be asking?
Jason: Don’t be a little girl about it. Have a margarita!
Spud: Star Sapphire. That’s what that is! There’s a question from a listener: “Does Hellier matter anymore?”
Jason: 9 and 1. It’s bigger than just a lamp. As they conjure, a storm comes. 100.
(I just heard what sounded like an echo-y, uh, child yelling)
Marco: 100 is “I am Nuit” and “Abrahadabra” um, and “I Kaba”, “love chant”, “ordeal”.
Tommie: Okay. Marco: So I would say that Hellier still matters!. So that’s–
Jason: Sierra
Marco: Yeah, it is–
Jason: That’s the thing.
Tommie: Okay. The Hundred, is that the thing?…
Jason: Its like a cat.
Marco: Is it the beast
Jason: Play on. Are words better?
Tommie: Numbers can be good too. We’re not opposed to numbers just once we know what cypher you’re using.
Jason: No…
Tommie: Well, that’s not really helpful then isn’t
Marco: Should we use the N A E Q or should we use old Kabbalah?
Jason: The first would be the one.
Tommie: There you go. Brilliant.
Marco: Boom. All right. Um, okay. We’re going to use that.
Jason: Don’t be afraid of spiders…
Marco: We’re not afraid of spiders!
Jason: … On your leg of lamb / LAM.
Marco: Okay.
Jason: It’s a Common Fear
Spud: Spiders on your leg of Lam! Like this guy, really like this guy.
Tommie: Can you tell us more about LAM?
Jason: Hey, a new problem.
Marco: What problem?
Spud: Problem. Is LAM a new problem? Is that what he’s saying?
Marco: Tommie, how many–
Jason: You need to ground yourself.
Marco: Okay.
Jason: At home,
Marco: I’m mindful of the time–
Jason: Life insurance.
Marco: Should we ask some more questions?
Tommie: Yeah. And what do you know of the language called mantong?
Jason: And don’t forget to sing.
Tommie: Okay. Is it just like a language that has like a lilt? Like, is it spoken like a singing?
Jason: 100 means double in the arts.
Tommie: Okay. I’m just going to kind of fly through some questions. Um, what do you know of, of the enoc–?
Jason: You can ramble…
Tommie: Uh, Well, I’m going to try it to be articulate…
Jason: …all you want.
Tommie: Although that, that sounds like it’s pointed at Marco again,
Jason: but I am in control.
Marco: This sounds a lot like, the Book of the Law, “you hate the pen, but I’m stronger.”
Tommie: Yeah. Was anyone timing this, do we know how much we’ve left?
Spud: Ask them? How much time do we have left?
Tommie: How much time have we left?
Jason: You won’t beat us.
Spud: Not trying to.
Tommie: What do you know of the Enochian language of John Dee and Edward Kelley?
Jason: Isn’t it all over the rainbow, the rainbow, a thousand times, just living it.
Marco: A reference to the Aethers?
Tommie: Mmmm…
Jason: That’s the main feature.
Jason: Okay.
Spud: That’s your answer there.
Tommie: Okay. I don’t know how much time left. So we might just kind of–
Jason: You’re all insiders now.
Tommie: We’re members. Um, do you–
Jason: But whatever.
Tommie: Do you have–
Jason: Yeah…
Tommie: Any messages for anyone who is participating in this ritual, including the people who are watching, live and subsequently,
Jason: Don’t be a Republican!
Tommie: Is that the general message?
Marco: What about us in the UK? Should we not be Tories?
Jason: You’re fucked!
Marco: It’s very true.
Tommie: I don’t even want to know that Ireland, to be honest.
Jason: Its all an Illusion. Don’t worry.
Marco: I agree with that as well, by the way.
Spud: Brilliant.
Tommie: Have you any more–
Jason: (The radio went dead silent, like no static. It’s back now, but that was weird.)
Tommie: Is there any messages for the people who are watching that more generalized message rather than a more, um, pointed message, a more kind of a personal message…
Jason: We’re on the clock, baby!
Tommie: Yeah, I know. I know. I know. I know. Right. If anyone has questions in chat now is your time, um, can you tell us something about the situation in Russia and Ukraine?
Jason: Uh oh… I want to, I want you to love each other and pick up after, after. All right?
Tommie: Yeah. Okay.
Spud: Alright
Marco: Okay.
Jason: There’s an energy hanging out with us.
Spud: Does it have a name?
Jason: So let’s have a look.
Marco: There’s definitely something here by the way.
Tommie: Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
Spud: Very different feel this time.
Jason: I’m scared.
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SESSION 1 WITHOUT QUESTIONS
Beckoning, It’s real. A whole universe every day. You wish – It’s all free now!
Alright, I’m here to help,Tommie.
Well, that’s something. Kind of empty, but just be good. Chaotic. You have to get the sequence right! It’s coming. Don’t be scared. No other way.
Hey, now we’re starting! The connection has started.
Deus Ex. Another. You’ll lose. Dive in! Humans are calling.
Are you finished already? You’re doing it better. It’s a long ways. Let’s rock!
Hello? OK. I don’t think so. Are you picking on me? Here, help If you think that I can.
First of all, it’s going to be in my mind. That’s the promise. Go ahead. This is your one chance for membership. Put your hands back. Much Better.
You know, you can call only when it’s leaking. Define that.
Hail me. The journey!
A Viking! What a show!
You can try, go for it. Help me, you can do it. That’s good. Later, move over.
Is it working? Is your magic working? Me too.
Fortunate! A cookout! Suffocation! Hello? Out with it, Dreamweavers!
This! Oh, just do it already! OK? Be patient, but I’m not.
Instructors! Well, you’re the best boy! Almost, almost done. Time’s running out!
Your wife would know! I wish it could.
4 3 That’s a single one.
I leave you! 9, 3. You don’t know me from Adam.
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SESSION 2 WITHOUT QUESTIONS
Well, Hey, you guys. How’s it going? 100%. The door is open – just a bit!
Oh, you’re a rascal. Don’t trip on your foot.
Alright… Think all, It’s Nothing. How about that? It is what it is. Don’t fight it.
You guys, what would Greg think of this? Wow. A little bit of magic. You got it!
Pick up the phone. Yes, Estoy Bien! How about you? Do you want a cookie? Well, you better go find one. Sounds like a speech impediment. Get on with it!
500 is cool. It’s kind of orange. Okay. 19. It’s the number 3.
I hear you, You’re a bit of a problem though. Fuck you! I mean, usually, that works. It’s tricky. It entails a lot. Roots (Routes?) on your birthday. Makeshift, The ones you can find. You’ll know.
You don’t say! It’s no bullshit! The Swan as well. Does it make you feel good?
Ready for 20? That’s all that we have. A big bang. It’s all the same.
Heading to you now, join us. The divinity, all of them. You know man extremely well. An influencer.7, it includes as much.
I have an offer about that. Put your hands in the air and then move beyond. Beautiful.
What a strange machine. I’m just playing!
If you need to go to the bathroom, hurry back, it takes a long walk on the warpath. Lost in the woods.
Surely, It’s coming back around. Not too soon? Carefully now! Don’t be a little girl about it. Have a margarita!
9 and 1. It’s bigger than just a lamp. As they conjure, a storm comes. 100.
Sierra, that’s the thing. Its like a cat. Play on. Are words better? No, the first would be the one.
Don’t be afraid of spiders on your leg of LAM. It’s a Common Fear.
Hey, a new problem, you need to ground yourself at home – Life insurance!
And don’t forget to sing,100 means double in the arts.
You can ramble all you want but I am in control. You won’t beat us.
Isn’t it all over the rainbow? The rainbow, a thousand times- just living it! That’s the main feature. You’re all insiders now. But whatever.
Yeah…don’t be a Republican! You’re fucked! Its all an Illusion. Don’t worry. We’re on the clock, baby!
Uh oh… I want to, I want you to love each other and pick up after, after. All right?
There’s an energy hanging out with us. So let’s have a look. I’m scared.
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